Freedom, democracy, hope

Hope, freedom, democracy; Democracy, hope, freedom.

He’s got a clippy delivery, hasn’t he. I don’t think it’s going to take long for that to become rather annoying.

We got out of the way of it all and went to see Slumdog Millionaire, a highly improbable and sentimental Mumbai-set fairy story that’s up for all the Oscars and everything. It’s brilliantly shot with a soundtrack that adds a lot, sharp performances all round, a big Bollywood-type dance production after the credits, and features a very pretty girl. I think that’s one definition of a goodish film.

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63 Responses to Freedom, democracy, hope

  1. Patty Gross says:

    Bless you! You are brilliant and not “one of the easily deceived.”

  2. calvininjax says:

    But just think of what the alternative was — those “real” Americans, McCain and Palin. πŸ˜‰

  3. chiffs says:

    Aretha Franklin for President. Shall I start a Facebook campaign?

  4. Patty Gross says:

    Palin is a real American. I admired her many strengths. She’s not an uppity, Harvard grad, resting on her wealthy family laurels. Hey, she owns guns and hunts moose, what more could you want??? And now our stupid politicians are going to hand the NY senate seat to Caroline Kennedy because “she’s bored.” Hang the qualifications and hard work. Oh, forgot….she is a Kennedy. ‘nough said. I did like JFK very much, but she’s not qualified plain and simple.

    McCain was still the lesser of two evils…..at least he served his country well, nearly losing his life. Obama is nothing more than a boy toy for the wealthy female elite…..or so they’d like it to be.

    Geez, am I in a vile mood. :((((

  5. Patty Gross says:

    chiffs, Aretha is too old. Americans are obsessed by youth, or youthful looking. Brittany Spears would have a better chance. Or Shawnia Twain. The word in America is “don’t ever get old or look old.” Sad, isn’t it?

  6. AndyP says:

    “Palin is a real American. I admired her many strengths. She’s not an uppity, Harvard grad, resting on her wealthy family laurels. Hey, she owns guns and hunts moose, what more could you want???”

    And there my friends (to quote McCain) is what lies at the heart of America being in such a bad way. I hope the young, energetic intelligent articulate President that has just taken office can turn that around. He’s got his work cut out.

  7. “Unclench the fist.” He’s right. That’s the way we have to go. It’s the only way we can get from here to there without destroying our kids. We owe them that.

    Went to Edward Hopper the other day. Woman in Motel, Woman in Clapboard House, Couple in Office etc. Making a poem about it all. Take a few days. All a bit of a rush.

  8. chiffs says:

    Aretha – younger than McCain, a million watts brighter than Palin.
    I was making a joke.
    Obama’s unclenched fist/open palm is what I would want if I were voting. Hope the outcome is . . . hopeful, of course.

  9. OS. says:

    Patty. And winger the cynic. Politics can break a marriage or cause a scrap, even amongst the most mild mannered of folk. So take this! πŸ˜‰

    This is a post I’ve just put on Good Old George’s Blog.[I’m sure he will chastise me for the ‘old’ bit]. But I don’t care. I’m in a rebellious mood today. Here it is so shove it up your jacksies. XXX

    “I have lived a good long life. I’ve seen much in that time and am streetwise to politics and politicians. ‘Off the cuff’ are they, usually. But, Barack Obama’s inauguration has stirred me within. Like an old sea dog, I’ve sniffed the air and can sense a change. Today, one of his first acts as President, his condemnation of lobbyists, only served to confirm my gut feeling that he is someone very special who is not afraid to act for the people he serves rather than those who have the most power. I also sense inclement weather and possible mutiny. Whether he is powerful enough to ride this sea change and rebellion remains to be seen. We have an interesting few years ahead of us. I wish him well on his journey. As should all good men.”

    So there! πŸ˜‰

    The Geriatric Gobshite that is OldPokie. πŸ™‚

  10. Patty Gross says:

    Andy,

    I said, “Palin is a real American. I admired her many strengths. She’s not an uppity, Harvard grad, resting on her wealthy family laurels. Hey, she owns guns and hunts moose, what more could you want???”

    It was a joke, which was first stated by my friend’s husband several months ago. I should not have written it. I love my country and of course wish our new President well. We have too many problems right now, and must get on with what’s best for America and our citizens. I am hopeful that Barack will be the man to turn things around.

    I think we had a culture gap there. But I was for Sen. McCain, age and all. He lost, and I will adjust to President Obama. Please accept my apologies.

  11. OS says:

    Patty, whatever you do, don’t get apologising to Andy. He’ll be around your house in a jiffy, rolling up on the first rolling stock in town. I doubt he’d stay long though. He’s a ‘warm weather’ man is Andy. πŸ˜‰

    I hope its warmed up for you. It has for us. Rain now.

    OS. XXX

  12. Stephen, For your info, and any other Hopper fans in your blogland, I’ve put 7 poems on my blog under Edward Hopper and the American Dream (part 1), (part 2). Enjoy!

  13. Patty Gross says:

    OS, I thought about that after the fact. What am I apologizing for? Expressing my opinion? I read once that women are always bustling around saying “I’m sorry”, or “I apologize” about 75% more than their male counterparts. Why do we do this, I wonder? Okay, that’s it! I take it back!:)

    But Andy is certainly welcome at my cottage in the woods of Maine anytime. If he’s a sailor or a kayaker, he would have a really fun time! Right now I’m afraid we’re limited to sledding, skiing, and snowshoeing.

    Hasn’t warmed up at all. We have over a foot of snow on the ground, and this weekend the temps are forecast to drop down to those of the Arctic!

    You’re really a lovely man, OS! You make me smile. πŸ™‚

    Patty

  14. Mark Eltringham says:

    OS = Old Smoothie

  15. Stephen Foster says:

    OS = Original Senile

  16. AndyP says:

    Patty. I suspected it was a joke, but sadly I’ve encountered too many Americans who actually believe that to be true! I have followed the election campaign from the outset, months and months ago, through the primaries and so on. Sad I know but I was a student of politics and this stuff interests me. It also has repercussions far beyond the USA.

    Before he even stood as Presidential candidate I saw John McCain several times on US news shows broadcast over here. I found him to be a decent, principled and honorable man, and was surprised when he turned out to be a Republican! Indeed his concession speech after he lost the election was one of the most humble and wonderful pieces of oratory I’ve heard. A true lesson in how to lose graciously. That was the real John McCain. Unfortunately during the election he and Palin resorted to fear and smear. They offered nothing when Obama offered hope and real policies to mend America’s ills. I lost all my respect for McCain, and like many others I will be glad to see the back of Bush, his failed and dangerous policies, and I’m pleased the Republicans were subsequently rejected so resoundingly at the polls.

    And as for you OS you Brussels vagabond you… just watch it with the railway quips or I’ll be round to Dresden quicker than you can say “tickets please” to introduce your bonce to my shunter’s pole! πŸ˜‰

  17. Patty Gross says:

    OS = Orator Superb

  18. Patty Gross says:

    Andy, the Republicans were not resoundingly rejected….they lost by a 2% margin. I don’t like to argue politics, so I’ll just say we’ll hope for the best (there’s that damned word again, hope) uh, anyway, in four years we’ll come back here and see how things are going. Deal? πŸ™‚

  19. AndyP says:

    And here are the results from our American jury…

    Obama v McCain Nov 2008
    Popular vote 69,456,897 59,934,786
    Percentage 52.9% 45.7%
    Electoral vote 365 173

    That is what’s known in Stoke as a bit of a dicking! πŸ˜‰

    Largest popular vote in a long time by some distance, and the biggest popular vote margin since Reagan over Mondale in 1984. Much more clear water than during the Bush victories, and the shameful 2000 affair in particular. But hey lets not argue politics. It’s in both our interests that Obama cleans up the mess he’s been left by his predecessor. Any sane American will not want him to fail. Hopefully the Republican Party will also have a long hard look at itself, and in that period of reflection return to something resembling the ideals of the GOP and not stick with the lunatic Right fringe that have hijacked it in recent years. You do not obtain popular mass broad appeal offering up the likes of Palin. It was an embarrassment and it cost McCain big style.

    OS for President!

  20. Stephen Foster says:

    Patty, you have run into the People’s Republic of Stoke-on-Trent in Mr P : quit while you’re behind ;–)

    I am well pleased with this post, it has refused to lie down, and it has emerged as a victory for democracy. For myself, there is never anyone to vote for: my fellow Champagne Trotskyites seem to be incapable of raising the energy to climb out of their trenchcoats & get on the stump.

  21. AndyP says:

    Fair point Winger. When it comes to politics I do turn a tad Brian Clough…
    “If I had an argument with a player we would sit down for twenty minutes, talk about it and then decide I was right” πŸ˜‰

  22. Patty Gross says:

    Thanks for the warning, Stephen….or should I say winger? I’ve already for the most part nearly sort of forgotten the entire conversation. It has been an interesting post, for me at any rate. As long as this country remains a democracy, I’ll be pleased as punch! I don’t think you won at all, Andy…..if anything, it’s a draw. πŸ™‚

  23. OS. says:

    LOL @ winger: Champagne Trotskyites. The cake proved that. You really are out of your depth with us real Trotskyites like me and Mr Pink and Swiss. [I’m not so sure about Swiss these days – I reckon he’s too much under your Bourgoisie influence. I need to have a chat to the boy.] You should know that bread and butter pudding is the real sign of a Trotskyite. Ask your mam while she’s basking in the sun of Southern Spain. Uhhhh…now I know where you get it from. πŸ™‚ You and Mam and Eli are three of a kind. Eli has even offered to put himself out and look up an old [certainly not cheap] laptop out of his garage to hand down to the Prols. It should arrive sunday if he can lower his self to call here. He’d better, he’s got my bloody season tickets!

    Patty. Andy is the original Soapbox Man. Take winger’s advice and quit while you’re behind. He’s a good man to have by your side though. Trust me. Especially if you need to catch a train. πŸ˜‰

    BTW, Andy, ‘Rails and Ales and Brussels Tales’. I hope you’re working on it. Don’t disappoint me.

    Right, back to the politics. Obama wouldn’t have won unless all the black people got off their arses to vote for him. And that pisses me off. They see it as a victory for the black man. I don’t. I see it as a victory for everyone. The man is far more worthy than that. I don’t see him as black. He is above race and that’s what makes him so special and it is also the reason so many white people voted for him. He is an orator extraordinaire: a man of obvious high principles and tough as old boot leather to boot despite his good looks and wonderful family. Another JFK. Even better IMHO. His only weakness I see is the quality of those who surround him. He needs to be ruthless with them if they fall below his high standards. He will be judged by their actions as well as his own.

    Back to the opposing ticket. Forgive me Patty, dear, but the weakest link was Palin. Not because she is a woman, but because she simply isn’t a statesperson. A big mistake by McCain. Believe me, we ‘over here’ were trembling in our shoes at the thought that she might become the most powerful person in the world. Regarding the ‘dirt’, McCain did what he had to do. There was no way he had a chance once he appointed Palin. He had to resort to dirt. I understand that. I don’t like it, but I understand it. A shame. Like Andy, I think he was a good man but was onto a hiding for nothing because he was dragging the Bush baggage along with him and he appointed the wrong running mate. Also, he had to contend with the black uprising. Not a bad thing in itself because it’s time equality played a bigger role in America. I just feel a bit saddened that they had to elect a black President to change things.

    Unlike Andy, I’m a pragmatist and not an idealist. Bloody ‘eck, he even thinks Tony Benn is sane! πŸ˜‰ While he stands on his soapboxes, I’m the one digging the coal out of the mines to keep the fires warm and to keep his rolling stock rolling in Sodor. Thomas and George and Henry would be sitting in the sheds and The Fat Controller would be spluttering if all he had was a bloke on a soapbox to keep everyone happy here.

    http://www.thomasandfriends.com/others/

    Barack is like me. But much cleverer than me. Well, he might be. Unlike some of the others who post on this blog, I gained my degree in the place that matters: the University of Life. I don’t need a soapbox to get my message across. A size 10’s shovel around the side of your head is all I need. Barack would have been fine with me in the pit. I just know it. Go Barack. Go man!

    *Adjusts pit cap and stands back awaiting a blast-back from those of lesser being. Dunner worry, I know the shotblasters well. πŸ™‚

    OS. Radical and proud of it.

  24. Patty Gross says:

    Let me get this out of the way before anything else. I am not a bigot. Not in any way am I any sort of bigot. I was raised with Black kids in a multicultural neighborhood and town. Just so everyone knows. Barack’s color means squat to me! There, got that said. My own sister who has lived in Dorset for 30 years and still has dual citizenship voted for Barack. She really turned the knife on that one she did! But then we all have a right to our opinions, right or wrong, right? I will bow and give Mr. Obama the benefit of the doubt. Only time will tell. I’ve got plenty of time (I hope.) I’ll be watching. I have many black friends and we certainly did have some words exchanged during this election….but we’re still good friends. Always will be.

    It’s really all Stephen’s fault you know. He’s the one who started this blasted blog to begin with! Knowing it would escalate to near online riot proportions. I love a good cat scratch so way to go winger!! It’s been a fun ride. πŸ™‚

    I finished reading Walking Ollie last night for the 3rd time. I love that book. Love Dylan’s story too. My lurcher would probably love him. Now I wish you’d get busy and whip up another best seller I could sink my teeth into!!

    OS, what can I say? You’re the greatest. What a sweetie you are!! Barack would do well to take a listen from you he would. You could probably solve at least 45% of all the problems on earth. πŸ™‚

    Til tomorrow.

  25. OS. says:

    Only 45%, Patty. Tch tch. You have little faith in me. πŸ˜‰

    OS. XXX

  26. Mark Eltringham says:

    Could I just defend John McCain and point out that when things got out of hand with the dirt, he did try to rein his supporters in and at one point defended Obama. As Mick has pointed out, he let himself down with the appointment of Palin. I know Mick has tried to be diplomatic about her, but she was as thick as a whale omelette. I know the yanks don’t give a stuff what we think on the whole, but she would have been a disaster in office.

  27. Stephen Foster says:

    Don’t pussy foot around Eltringham: say what you really think.

  28. AndyP says:

    For those who enjoyed the moment and would like to relive it for ever more, and for those who might like to get used to the idea of Obama as President, here are some wonderful photographs of the inauguration from all around the world…
    http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/01/the_inauguration_of_president.html

    PS Patty – a draw?! How does 52.9% – 45.7% = 2%?! πŸ˜‰ Unless of George W Bush is doing (as he might say) the mathymatications. πŸ˜‰

    PPS “she was as thick as a whale omelette” – pisser, top drawer stuff that Elt.

  29. Stephen Foster says:

    There’s some great pictures there Andy, they make it look like a really good wedding, it’s even complete with a shower of pikeys from Stoke sitting about smoking pipes and watching telly.

  30. OS says:

    Right, you so-called interlectewals. Let’s be ‘avin’ yer!

    Eli, don’t apply for a post in diplomatics. You’ll find yourself as ambassador to Siberia! And, don’t get a job in IT either. Your link doesn’t work!

    Andy, Patty is like me. She may not be able to add up but I’ll bet she knows that 52.9% + 45.7% doesn’t = 100%. What have you done with the other 1.4%? Is it in your bloody soapbox?

    Come on, Patty, we’ll take these bloody lightweights on big stylee. πŸ˜‰

    OS. XXX

  31. OS says:

    Oi, winger, I was just thinking the same. The 12th pic down. How about booking a shelter there for 2011? I reckon we Berlin Stokies would have a great time with them wallahs. πŸ˜‰

    Great pics, Andy. Did you take them yourself?

    OS.

  32. AndyP says:

    OS – no I didn’t take them myself. I take a good photo but not that good. I cannot claim credit for work that is not mine. But it coudn’t have been me because as you know British Rail (or whatever it calls itself these days) does not stretch to Washington or Afghanistan for that matter! πŸ˜› I can’t make my mind up if your comment was a joke or a senior moment! πŸ˜‰

    And as for the missing 1.4% that’ll be the other candidates that don’t make the limelight, like the Greens and the interesting Independent Ralph Nader. There, case solved! Next question? πŸ˜‰

  33. AndyP says:

    PS When you are only 5′ 5″ a soapbox is essential just to be noticed! πŸ˜‰ Come the revoultion brother…

  34. OS says:

    “And as for the missing 1.4% that’ll be the other candidates that don’t make the limelight, like the Greens and the interesting Independent Ralph Nader. There, case solved! Next question?”

    You’re just guessing now. You also haven’t added in the abberations that affect the counting system in America. Did Bush really win Florida at the last election? See what I mean. Patty could be nearer the mark than you if the truth be known. πŸ™‚

    It was not a ‘senior moment’. I only have those when Pulis sends me into one. Have we signed anybody yet? πŸ˜‰

    OS.

  35. Mark Eltringham says:

    Oi, leave Patty alone. If you hover your cursor over the link it should work.

  36. Patty Gross says:

    Right, Mark. I hoovered my cursor and it worked! Andy, andy, annnnddddyyyyy, we all know stats aren’t worth the pen you use to write them down….unless they agree with my side that is. Lots of reasons for that little technical inaccuracy like the bloody liberal media always smiling American press for just one example. Those gals (and guys) are perfect examples of one being “thick as whale’s omelet.”

    Oh, yeah, I who am not a bigot (I won’t repeat that again, but I adopted a little 10 year old girl from Zimbabwe) deeply resented the words spoken during a senior moment the extremely geriatric minister poured out. Talk about reverse prejudice!@!!??(@! He set ALL races back about 35 years. Remember it? Here’s a refresher:

    I also thought the chanting of “nananana, nananana….” was a beautiful mantra, and endeared me even more to Barack when he said absolutely NOTHING to them to hush them. But can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reveresed. Talk about a riot!!! Oh, here’s that little clip:

    Funny, right? Riiighhhhtt. 😦 That’s about the time I began having a few drinks.

    OS you are right….of course you’re right you sweet man you! I “could” be nearer the mark than Andy. Oh, sorry for the slight back last night. I made a clerical error. The figure should have been 95%….accidentally push the 4 instead of the 9. So sorry.

    Yep, we’ll get used to Obama. We have no choice, and my stomach can’t endure another ulcer. I do regret very much the fact that Sen. McCain did himself in with his VP choice. But then that’s all water over the proverbial dam.

    Andy, my deceased father, my hero, was just 5’6″ and he was as tall as a mountain in my eyes. What in blazes does height have to do with the value and worth of a man? Answer, NOTHING.

  37. AndyP says:

    Patty – you’ve clearly never had to fight your way through 6 deep at Leeds University Union Bar in a desperate bid for pint of bitter! πŸ˜‰ What I’d have given for a few extra inches of height back then! Luckily now I’m past it, I don’t head for the bars, I just sit around all day indulging in daft debates about biscuits and moose hunters, so my height is irrelevant πŸ™‚

    On last parting shot, because I can’t go without one of those, it’s funny how those statistics were very important to the Republicans in trying to prove they “won” Florida in 2000! πŸ˜‰ And Gore getting 500,000 more popular votes too. I know the ahem liberal media (like Fox News!!!!) might not report things exactly how you like, but surely you aren’t suggesting they are in charge of counting votes too?! πŸ˜‰

  38. OS says:

    Eli, an apology from me. You can get a job in IT. You can start by making sure that laptop, that not cheap one, is delivered working. πŸ˜‰

    It’s been a good debate. Well done winger. You carry on firing the bullets and continue sitting back to see the chaos you cause. πŸ™‚

    Well done, Patty, for sticking in there. You Yanks aint short of a bit of British bulldoggery when the chips are down. Now you can understand how I go on when us guys meet up for a few days in Europe and a few beers. It’s no wonder I’m grey. πŸ˜‰

    And now back to something really controversial: bloody biscuits! ;(

    OS.

  39. Patty Gross says:

    Andy ~~ True, I’ve neverhad to figh my way to a bar at Leeds U. Then again, I’ll bet you’ve never had to fight your way through hundreds of tall, model type women, tossing their undies onstage to Rod Stewart. Lemme tell you my dear political bantering buddy, that ain’t no walk in the park either….but it was well worth it. πŸ˜‰

    Your parting remarks left me rather empty, except when you mentioned “Gore”, then those shudders and cold chills which always spring forth from the top of my head to the tips of my toes exploded with a vengeance! I don’t care about the other votes, politicians, inauguration, etc, etc., anymore. Just please respect my one and only request and NEVER mention that name in my presence again. Or Kerry either. πŸ™‚

  40. Patty Gross says:

    Thanks, OS! Yes, after listening to your buddies here I can certainly understand what you must endure on your trips abroad with them…or anywhere with the, ya poor thing. You have my deepest sympathies. Sorry it took me a few minutes to get back to you. My dog was after a black bear in our woods next to the yard. The animal must have woken up and come out of hibernation. Didn’t know they did that. A shot from a 45 sent him scampering back to the woods though. Well, back to biscuits and tea. πŸ™‚

  41. AndyP says:

    If I had to try to fight my way past hundreds of tall model type women, I’d wave my white flag of surrender, put my hands up, and see where the crowd took me πŸ˜‰ Although if it was a Rod Stewart concert I’d hope it was towards the exit door haha!

    How can the unmentionable ex-presedential candidate turned environmentalist be worse than the oaf that finally got the job?! I have suffered much shivering of fear and furious rage thanks to the buffoon that is George Dubya. The fact he always had the expression of a constipated chimpanzee was bad enough, it was the sub-chimp intellect that was the real worry. I wouldn’t trust him to run a bath let alone the most powerful nation in the world*.

    * Until China stops the loans.

  42. AndyP says:

    And as for OS having to endure us… spare a thought for us having to put up with his stinky cigarettes, rare steaks and falling asleep in the gutters! πŸ˜‰

    PS Don’t mean it. OS is ace and my hero. The wisest man on the board even if he is trying to cosy up to Palin fanatics πŸ˜‰

  43. Patty Gross says:

    I finally agree with you. Or at least the last paragraph in your last post.

    Never said once that I approved or liked Bush. You sometimes should not assume that which you do not know. My personal feeling was that he has an attention deficit disorder or perhaps some mild form of autism (I majored in psychology.)

    Don’t mention global warming to me either. One visit here to Maine will change your mind in a nanosecond…..more likely we’ll see another Ice Age. **She says as she tosses yet another log on the fire. Brrrrrrr, coldest winter in 30 years all over the US. It’s freezing in Florida, so there goes the orange juice. Damn!

  44. Patty Gross says:

    Oh one more thing….”until China stops the loans”
    Well, if a few of the countries (hint, hint) who have owed the US money from past debts paid up we would not be in debt. We’ve always loved the Brits and I believe helped them out quite a lot during the WWII London Blitz. We contributed mucho amounts of $$$$ back then, have not been paid back, and don’t care about it. The Brits are our dearest allies….at least I think so. πŸ˜‰

  45. AndyP says:

    My personal feeling is that Bush took too much booze and coke (the up your nose stuff not the gassy excuse for a beverage) when he was younger.

    It was good of y’all to enter the war and assist the UK in the fight against the spread of fascism. What the alternative might have been doesn’t bear thinking about. Although some cynics might say but for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, the USA would have kept well out of it. There is a delicious irony that the world’s strongest advocate of capitalism is being propped up by the communists πŸ˜‰ Mind you that’s where all your (and our) manufacturing industry is going to so no wonder.

    Don’t start me on global warming and climate change, I’d like to go to bed at some point tonight…

  46. AndyP says:

    Patty this might explain why your local bear was confused… πŸ˜‰
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/jan/15/environment.russia

  47. Patty Gross says:

    Hmmm, interesting for a post that’s four years old. Here’s a more current analysis of our ever changing weather: πŸ˜‰

    http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/Ice_Age.html

    Now maybe you can climb into your nest and get some shut-eye. πŸ™‚ Later!

  48. AndyP says:

    Yes that does seem to be up to date empirical evidence…

    “Read the latest on global cooling in the Winter 2003-2004 issue of 21st Century in “The Ice Age Is Coming” by Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc.”

  49. Patty Gross says:

    I’m heading for my nest right now….as soon as I have a slice of angel food cake, but I will certainly read your weather post in the morning.

    Thanks for the link and the fun and all…..It’s been a great blog!!

  50. OS says:

    “Well, if a few of the countries (hint, hint) who have owed the US money from past debts paid up we would not be in debt. We’ve always loved the Brits and I believe helped them out quite a lot during the WWII London Blitz. We contributed mucho amounts of $$$$ back then, have not been paid back,…”

    Patty, you were paid back in kind. For the following 20 years after the war, UK taxpayers had to bring up the thousands and thousands of fatherless children your guys left behind. Aktually, you owe us! πŸ˜‰ πŸ™‚

    I just love it when a thread miraculously weaves it’s way from one subject to another. Already, we’ve strayed through about 14 diffferent subjects from Ma Palin to black bears to global warming. And my reputation has wandered from a sweetie and an ace and a hero to an alcohol guzzling smoker who sleeps in the gutter. I like the latter bit. It’s the real me and sends my reputation up another notch. Thanks for that one, Andy. I’ll pay you in kind one day. πŸ˜‰ πŸ™‚

    Welcome big styleee to the madhouse, Patty. You done well, girl. You even got Andy on the backfoot and that takes some doing. Trust me on that one. He’s usually well ahead of us. πŸ˜‰

    OS.

  51. Patty Gross says:

    “Patty, you were paid back in kind. For the following 20 years after the war, UK taxpayers had to bring up the thousands and thousands of fatherless children your guys left behind. Aktually, you owe us!”

    Humpf! OS, I don’t believe I ever heard the ladies from your country demanding child support. Could it possibly be that they weren’t sure who to ask the child support from? Now as grown adults, I believe we know it takes two to tango or tangle, whateve the case may be. Can’t blame the female Brits….those Yanks must have seemed totally irresistable at the time. Ah, the stories all countries could tell of wartime romantic adventures. Look at the movies which have been made from them. Not so sweet and sappy when the little tykes come along though….gotta agree with you there!

    This blog has taken many swerves, wandered in and out of several topics, and still seems to be going where it will, having a mind of its own. What fun! πŸ™‚

    I am enjoying my stay in the looney bin! I can’t really picture you “sleeping”? in the gutter, but then anything’s possible. It certainly burst my bubble to read that. As a Roman Catholic, I was about to put pen to paper and nominate you to the Holy Father for sainthood, or at least blessed. Guess I’ll scratch that off my “to do” list. 😦

    Gotta run….many errand to run, and still have to read that last article referred to me by one of my new best friends, Andy. God, He’s as mouthy as I am!!!! πŸ˜‰

  52. AndyP says:

    Patty I don’t know what sweet talking yarns OS has been telling you, but here’s the old smoothie in more familiar circumstances just before his arrest for vagrancy by the Brussels Gendarmerie. πŸ˜‰

    http://www.andrewpointon.com/wpg2?g2_itemId=184

    This is him (right) just before an audacious bid to swoop on that poor unsuspecting local, and pinch his chip supper…

    http://www.andrewpointon.com/wpg2?g2_itemId=143

    And here being easily distracted from the path of righteousness by the temptations of the flesh πŸ˜‰

    http://www.andrewpointon.com/wpg2?g2_itemId=44

    The lovable old rascal! πŸ™‚

    PS I’m a quiet reserved type usually honest. I just get mouthy if it’s summat I care passionately about! πŸ˜‰

  53. OS says:

    Patty, Andy is a real sweetie. πŸ˜‰ He can talk the hind legs off a black bear. His downside? He’s a ‘veggie’. Don’t mention red meat to him. 😦 And, if you see any pics of me on his site, remember I was just posing for the effects. πŸ˜‰

    OS. XXX

  54. AndyP says:

    OS – granted your lozzacking in the gutter was staged, but there was nothing fake about you gawping at Belgian waitress! πŸ˜‰ And fair play she was worth a gawp!

    Tina is very scared we might encounter black bear when we go walking in the remote forests of Florida. I will try that tactic of talking the hinds legs off it should such an incident arise. Thanks for the tip. And after seeing the state of that “steak” you were served up in the cafe I’m surprised you didn’t turn veggie! Rare? It was still chewing the cud!

  55. AndyP says:

    PS oh and another thing OS… if it wasn’t for my love of railway timetables (that you all took great delight in ripping the piss out of me for) and my ability to successfully march several drunken Stokies through a previously unknown Belgian town in the dark, you would have never been on that train to pinch that bloke’s chips!!! πŸ˜‰ So there!

    Denderleuuw! Denderleuuw! We’re the famous Stoke City and we’ve been to Denderleuuw! Oi!

  56. Geraldine says:

    Well, that’s been a very enjoyable few days, following this back and forth. Go Obama!

  57. OS says:

    Andy, we all have a cross to bear. In the case of the Boskamp Bummers, you were it. πŸ™‚ Only kidding, mate. It took you a short while to get used to our acidic eccentricity, but once you did, you hit the road running. Or, in your case, making us do the running to catch that last bloody train with the old man and his chips which he shared with me. You’ll go down in history for that night along with the famous ‘Mix’ [and wasn’t it a great one!] and we will drink your health in the bars of Krakow and Bagdad and Berlin and Stalingrad and etc… in the years to come. Brussels was good and you played a big part in making it so.

    OS doffs flat cap to you. πŸ˜‰

    I shall still call you ‘Andy of Sodor’ though. If the cap fits… πŸ™‚

    M. XXX three little kisses for u.

  58. AndyP says:

    If I can’t make it over there with you, remind me to send you the timetables for the Krakow tram system πŸ˜‰ You’re the closest thing the group will have to a sensible and organised influence, and their only hope of a last tram from some remote Polish outpost. πŸ˜€

  59. Patty Gross says:

    Andy, I think I detect a smidgen of envy in your words regarding OS and the pert waitress. Close examination of body language in that photo indicates she was “coming on” shall we say, to OS, and obviously saw him for the distinguished and wise man he is. Not to worry…..with time and maturity you may one day be seen in that same sophisticated light as OS was on that memorable day in Belgium. πŸ™‚

    Have to admit that I’m a fancier of medium rare prime rib. Just take a minute and run ‘er under some hot water, then give it to me!! πŸ™‚ Also like my lamb on the medium rare side with mint jelly. You’d better eat a little more meat! No wonder you look so pale. You’re probably anemic! You need some iron in your blood. Have you looked at your fingernails or under your eyelids lately?? I’ll bet they’re as pale as a white horse!! Listen to your elders, son. They didn’t get to be elder by neglecting the proper amount of vitamins and minerals…..iron being an extremely necessary mineral. Oh, and why do you think we humans have canine teeth?? I’ll tell you why…..because we were meant to eat meat! That’s why. So go grab a nice lean steak and enjoy! Have a baked potato and salad with it too. Now I have to get myself into proper shape to attend mass at my little Catholic chapel on the shore of the blasted frigid Atlantic. If the priest doesn’t have that furnace turned up today, I’m going to turn it up myself!!!!!! Pax Domini, Andy!

    OS, I’m sure the waitress saw you as simply irresistable! And of course that gentleman was about to share his meal with you. He could probably see that you were greatly in need of nourishment after all your stressful efforts in keeping the others in your group moving along without becoing lost or missing the train! And you never complain, you dear man you. You just carry your burdens and remain a gentleman! πŸ™‚

  60. AndyP says:

    Patty with that interpretation of events I can only assume you’ve had training from that Iraqi Minister for Information πŸ˜‰

  61. OS. says:

    You mean this guy, Andy? Bagdad Bob? He reminds me of Bossie. πŸ™‚

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CXl1GkWWGmA

    Just chit-chat cus this thread will be winger’s longest ever and we might as well continue it. Eli Grumpy called yesterday with his boys. He brought me a laptop [not a cheap one] which will keep me busy for a few days. Swiss took one look at it and tried to beg it off me. I told him to do one! I’ll post a rundown of Eli’s income soon. Blimey! He’s vying with you, winger, for the richest member of the Berlin Stokies. How come I’m the one who pays all the bills and has to wait for my dosh whilst living in my humble abode like a poor chrch mouse? Phhht!

    I’ll leave you with this. If it doesn’t bring a tear to your eyes then you aint human. 😦

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6bJCyqcQCfQ&NR=1

  62. AndyP says:

    Ar that’s the youth OS. Sadly I couldn’t find the clip where he claimed the Americans were being “slaughtered like dogs” at the point they were wandering around Baghdad Airport having met no resistance! As the situation got more hopeless the wilder and more ludicrous (and funnier) his pronouncements got. Someone should give him a job in the PR department at Stoke!

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